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Miley Cyrus interviewed Mickey Guyton for Rolling Stone’s “Musicians on Musicians” series recently and shared some advice her father Billy Ray Cyrus once gave her.

Miley said, “My dad always says, ‘Don’t think outside the box, because there is no box.’ The conscious awareness of the box that you’re not in just keeps the box living and breathing.”

She added, “For me, especially being someone that’s kind of known for being controversial, when there’s a line, and I cross it, I don’t even really focus on that — because now we’re focusing more on the line than the action.”

Mickey agreed and responded, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again expecting different results. And I was insane for a long freaking time because there’s this box that women in country music are supposed to fit in, but then add on a Black woman in that box, and that box is even smaller.”

Guyton continued, “I was given this little tiny box that was allotted to me to make some noise, but not too much noise. And it was suffocating. Just watching artists like you, like Kacey Musgraves, that unapologetically were like, ‘Eff you guys, this is what I’m going to do, this is what’s going to happen, and that’s it. You’re going to accept me or not.’”